Why is it that Hillary Clinton doesn't engage me at all, one way or the other. And more importantly why is it she has such issues with US women who you'd think would connect with her seven ways to Sunday.
I knew one woman, a 70s icon of feminism. When young women out of uni came to work for her expected a sisterhood type of thing. She didn't view them like that at all. They were there to do a job, that was it. But she was truly disliked by the young women, and not so much by the men. The didn't have the baggage of an expectation, in fact they were expecting her to favour the women, and were pleased that it wasn't the case.
It's a good question, and I think the answer depends on who you ask. In some respects, I do think she has been reported on differently as a candidate than her male counterparts. How many of them have been asked if/when you are a grandpa, will you still want to be the president? And because of that, I think she is bearing the brunt of being a woman candidate rather than just a candidate. There might even be a segment of our population who still believes that a strong woman = bitch and a woman's place isn't in the Oval Office. And then on the other side of that coin are the women who were bothered by her "standing by her man" so to speak after all that went down in the public eye. She's also been a bit flip floppy on some of the issues which rubs people the wrong way. I personally don't take issue with that as much because she's been in the "business" a long time and changing ideologies should go along with the changing times. We evolve as people, so should our views. What I think bothers me the most about her is that "long time in the business". She's a politician through and through. Even though she's a democrat she's still taking gobs of money from corporate "friends". Just like Obama, who ran on the social issues and campaigned towards the regular people - who is better off after the 8 years? Not the regular people, and I think that's the same feeling people have with Clinton, maybe even more so with her history in politics. Something that has been driving me nuts about her coverage and her campaign though is whoever is telling her she needs to be more engaging and more sharped tongued or quick witted. Trump, the king of one liners, is turning everyone else into really bad comedians. The press hounds them (her) about being the antithesis of that, and now they (she) are trying to be that kind of candidate. It's painful to watch and so disingenuous. With all that being said, if she's the nominee she'll get my vote since she does stand for more of what I believe in than any of the conservatives do.
You see I wonder if it's based on a projected expectation. But what I don't get is the lack of empathy for her. Even back in the 90s, lots didn't really sanction Bill, and could sorta see why. And she hasn't what her husband has in oodles, likeability. There's no leeway for her at all, and there never was. That I don't quite get. If it was discovered she had a strong healthy man to sweep the chimney her career would be over. This would be, not because she's a woman but because of the way she is.
For me, I have a trust issue with Hillary. She has been in the political system way too long and has thus been corrupted. Everything she says sounds condescending and that her audience wouldn't really understand the whole truth so she doesn't give it to them. She gave such vague answers in the Benghazi affair that she has to go before congress again. She has repeatedly lied about her email server and the steady drip drip of new information and backtracking hasn't helped with her truthfulness. Had she just come out in the beginning and said that she screwed up and shouldn't have been using a private server and that she panicked when found out and tried to erase some of them, I would have more respect for her now. Instead she tried to tell us that the reason she had the private server was she didn't like to carry two different phones for two email accounts when everyone and their brother knows that you can have multiple email accounts on any one phone. She also told us she started using the private account months after she actually did. She said she didn't delete any emails and yet thousands have been discovered. It is just one lie after another with her.
I get you, to a point. You see I don't see the fuss about all that fiddle-faddle about mails and what-not. Nor do I think it's something that would deter anyone who was going to vote for her anyway I think what I'm getting at is she doesn't lift me, either with joy or ire. What I do note though, is there's no comment about her as a woman being POTUS like there was 8 years ago. Is it really that long ?.
I think she has her core of voters who are going to vote for her no matter what. As always, it will be those of us in the middle who swing one way or another to elect the eventual president.
I think the reason there is little talk about a female president is because we've had lots of female candidates for president and until next summer, Hillary and Carly are just female candidates. When/if they get the nomination, that will be when all the hoopla breaks loose. It was the same for Obama, it wasn't a big deal until he was the presumptive nominee because we have had lots of black candidates in the past.
If a person will lie about small matters, they'll lie about big ones.
I don't care for either of the Clintons on a political level and that goes all the way back to when they were the Governor and First Lady of my state. On a "personal" level, he seems to be much more likable. And no, that has nothing to do with him being male. If anything, the whole "slick Willie" persona disgusts me.
I have no problem with gender, race, or religion (or lack thereof) in a presidential candidate. I'm looking for certain leadership qualities and policy stances. There will never be a perfect candidate that I agree with 100%, but sadly I'm not seeing anything on either side (another pet peeve...our decidedly two party system) that's remotely acceptable.
To be honest I don't ever remember believing what politicians said. The best you can hope for is they tend towards a way you think they should. But actually believing, no. We deal with coalitions governments so the political party that you voted for will jettison everything to get into power. Clinton will always have a welcome here in Ireland due to his facilitation of peace in Northern Ireland. But it's unlikely that would pass to his wife. I think the 90s insistence that she be seen as being different is taken and accepted. But I don't think that means her husbands people will go with her.
I have often seen rather feminist leaning women in the workplace have a hard time relating to other women who you'd think would be allies.
ReplyDeleteI knew one woman, a 70s icon of feminism. When young women out of uni came to work for her expected a sisterhood type of thing. She didn't view them like that at all. They were there to do a job, that was it. But she was truly disliked by the young women, and not so much by the men. The didn't have the baggage of an expectation, in fact they were expecting her to favour the women, and were pleased that it wasn't the case.
DeleteIt's a good question, and I think the answer depends on who you ask. In some respects, I do think she has been reported on differently as a candidate than her male counterparts. How many of them have been asked if/when you are a grandpa, will you still want to be the president? And because of that, I think she is bearing the brunt of being a woman candidate rather than just a candidate. There might even be a segment of our population who still believes that a strong woman = bitch and a woman's place isn't in the Oval Office. And then on the other side of that coin are the women who were bothered by her "standing by her man" so to speak after all that went down in the public eye. She's also been a bit flip floppy on some of the issues which rubs people the wrong way. I personally don't take issue with that as much because she's been in the "business" a long time and changing ideologies should go along with the changing times. We evolve as people, so should our views. What I think bothers me the most about her is that "long time in the business". She's a politician through and through. Even though she's a democrat she's still taking gobs of money from corporate "friends". Just like Obama, who ran on the social issues and campaigned towards the regular people - who is better off after the 8 years? Not the regular people, and I think that's the same feeling people have with Clinton, maybe even more so with her history in politics.
ReplyDeleteSomething that has been driving me nuts about her coverage and her campaign though is whoever is telling her she needs to be more engaging and more sharped tongued or quick witted. Trump, the king of one liners, is turning everyone else into really bad comedians. The press hounds them (her) about being the antithesis of that, and now they (she) are trying to be that kind of candidate. It's painful to watch and so disingenuous.
With all that being said, if she's the nominee she'll get my vote since she does stand for more of what I believe in than any of the conservatives do.
You see I wonder if it's based on a projected expectation. But what I don't get is the lack of empathy for her. Even back in the 90s, lots didn't really sanction Bill, and could sorta see why.
DeleteAnd she hasn't what her husband has in oodles, likeability. There's no leeway for her at all, and there never was. That I don't quite get. If it was discovered she had a strong healthy man to sweep the chimney her career would be over. This would be, not because she's a woman but because of the way she is.
For me, I have a trust issue with Hillary. She has been in the political system way too long and has thus been corrupted. Everything she says sounds condescending and that her audience wouldn't really understand the whole truth so she doesn't give it to them. She gave such vague answers in the Benghazi affair that she has to go before congress again. She has repeatedly lied about her email server and the steady drip drip of new information and backtracking hasn't helped with her truthfulness. Had she just come out in the beginning and said that she screwed up and shouldn't have been using a private server and that she panicked when found out and tried to erase some of them, I would have more respect for her now. Instead she tried to tell us that the reason she had the private server was she didn't like to carry two different phones for two email accounts when everyone and their brother knows that you can have multiple email accounts on any one phone. She also told us she started using the private account months after she actually did. She said she didn't delete any emails and yet thousands have been discovered. It is just one lie after another with her.
ReplyDeleteI get you, to a point. You see I don't see the fuss about all that fiddle-faddle about mails and what-not. Nor do I think it's something that would deter anyone who was going to vote for her anyway
DeleteI think what I'm getting at is she doesn't lift me, either with joy or ire.
What I do note though, is there's no comment about her as a woman being POTUS like there was 8 years ago. Is it really that long ?.
I think she has her core of voters who are going to vote for her no matter what. As always, it will be those of us in the middle who swing one way or another to elect the eventual president.
DeleteI think the reason there is little talk about a female president is because we've had lots of female candidates for president and until next summer, Hillary and Carly are just female candidates. When/if they get the nomination, that will be when all the hoopla breaks loose. It was the same for Obama, it wasn't a big deal until he was the presumptive nominee because we have had lots of black candidates in the past.
Ahhh, still the Reps had that weird mouthy one from Alaska. Lipstick on a pig. Sarah Palin !!!!!
DeleteThat might ease the trip somewhat, perhaps.
I was quite surprised when I google this, but we've had female candidates running for president since the late 1800's.
DeleteIf a person will lie about small matters, they'll lie about big ones.
ReplyDeleteI don't care for either of the Clintons on a political level and that goes all the way back to when they were the Governor and First Lady of my state. On a "personal" level, he seems to be much more likable. And no, that has nothing to do with him being male. If anything, the whole "slick Willie" persona disgusts me.
I have no problem with gender, race, or religion (or lack thereof) in a presidential candidate. I'm looking for certain leadership qualities and policy stances. There will never be a perfect candidate that I agree with 100%, but sadly I'm not seeing anything on either side (another pet peeve...our decidedly two party system) that's remotely acceptable.
To be honest I don't ever remember believing what politicians said. The best you can hope for is they tend towards a way you think they should. But actually believing, no. We deal with coalitions governments so the political party that you voted for will jettison everything to get into power.
DeleteClinton will always have a welcome here in Ireland due to his facilitation of peace in Northern Ireland. But it's unlikely that would pass to his wife.
I think the 90s insistence that she be seen as being different is taken and accepted. But I don't think that means her husbands people will go with her.